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TOROCast – Episode 163 – Life Day Special?

This time around, Tom sits out, so we offer his comfy floating throne to Evarwyn, formerly of SWTOR Reforged! Since our last release, 1.6 has dropped, and so has the Life Day Event, or has it? In the Meat and Pota-TORs, Jeff and Road discuss Drew Karpyshyn’s latest novel (no spoilers!), Annihilation, and then we turn the show over to Evarwyn to discuss himself, SWTOR Reforged, and the Quest Gaming Network. But let’s not forget, Seasons Greetings from TOROCast!

 

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Don’t forget, you can find Evarwyn on Twitter at @Evarwyn and on the Quest Gaming Network

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Host of TOROcast and The Ban Hammer. Lead podcaster for Twonk Hammer Entertainment.

8 comments

  1. Why don’t you guys change your recording schedule? Otherwise BW will keep screwing you over with their announcements. =D

    • It’s a decent thought, but the only time our schedules really coincide is on Sundays, unfortunately. We had considered it before, but it really just came down to availability and time zone differences.

      That said, it wouldn’t be a TOROCast release if they didn’t release groundbreaking news the day following our biweekly release, would it?

  2. I was thinking changing the weeks that you record. But yeah you’re right it wouldn’t be Torocast if it wasn’t for that. Now that I think of it I’ll miss the “Bioware” fooled us again rants.

    Listen to you later! 🙂

  3. Firstly… Road, I appreciate you sending me sweet words of love from your cold, black heart. I mean that from the heart of my bottom.

    Secondly… I have to admit that I cringed a tad whilst listening to the segment about the supposed upcoming changes to PvP gear stat itemization. (Sorry Russell… but we both know, you are not a big PvP’er.)

    Anyway… Expertise IS a critically important to stat with regard to PvP. It is not however, the be-all-end-all-stack-as-much-of-it-as-humanly-possible-stat…. Why? Well, Expertise has a diminishing returns softcap, that exists somewhere in the neighborhood of 1100-1200. Keep in mind, Expertise ONLY affects 3 things: (ONLY in a PvP environment, it has no effect at all in PvE)…

    1- DMG Dealt Boost
    2- DMG Taken Reduction
    3- Healing Boost

    So obviously, the more Expertise stat you have while PvP’ing the more effective you will be. The reason that PvE gear is so terrible in PvP:

    Imagine you are a Sentinel melee dps in Full Black Hole/Campaign. (Nice gear man! Good job!) Well, being a medium armor class, you are likely sitting on around 25% base damage mitigation from armor rating. That makes you a bit squishy in PvE (as every Sentinel knows already) but it’s fairly easily handled by avoiding unnecessary damage, and making friends with a good healer. Now let’s imagine, that in this super nice PvE gear you have, with your 25% damage reduction, you queue for lvl 50 PvP… and a Marauder runs up to you and SMASH! You’re dead! How did you die so fast? Well…. that Marauder has 1200 expertise on his gear. So while he’s got less Strength/Endurance as main stats, he’s sitting pretty with his 25% damage reduction PLUS another 18-19% damage reduction from Expertise, (totalling 43-44% roughly) AND he’s also getting around 22-23% damage BOOST, which is effectively negating your base damage reduction down to about 2%. SO when you are hitting him, he’s taking slightly over half of your applied damage, while you are taking around 98% of his. Now, let’s take this same scenario and say that this awesome Marauder is attacking you (remember, you’re a sentinel here), and you opted to take off your sweet sweet PvE Gear (oooooh take it offf… bow chicka wow wow).. and you got yourself a set of lowly Recruit MK-2 PvP gear. (you’re looking at your main stats compared to your PvE gear, and you are just crying…) BUT *agast* you now have 936 Expertise and your damage reduction is up to a combined 39.3% (much better compared to your opponent’s 44% when before you only had 25%) and you now also have a damage boost of 19%… The playing field has leveled a bit, although it’s not completely a level playing field, it’s a lot closer.

    Now…. remember I said that Expertise has a diminishing returns softcap? Just like in PvE (where the stock itemization of the gear for your class/role is ABSOLUTELY not optimal and you have to play around with it get the best in slot)… PvP gear is the same way. Did you just grind a gazillion warzone commendations and buy yourself a full set of War Hero? Congratulations. You are not itemized at all! You will have too much Expertise (War Hero stock has 1388 expertise), not enough Endurance, likely not enough mainstat, and who the heck knows what your secondary stats (Crit/Power/Surge/etc) will be like. JUST stacking as much expertise as possible…. and going toe-to-toe with someone with LESS expertise who has re-itemized their gear to be best in slot, you will lose almost every time. (One of the best PvP tanks I’ve seen on my server, is in nearly full Elite War Hero gear, but he’s re-itemized to be around 1050 expertise, when stock gear would be up around 1400… and is darned near unkillable.)

    The reason they want to equalize Expertise across all PvP tiers of gear, is to make the initial jump into lvl 50 as a FRESH 50 not quite so painful… But, since expertise isn’t the end-all stat, itemizing PvE stats will still be very very important. But under NO circumstances will you ever be effective in PvP with all PvE gear.

    Plainly put: If you want to do level 50 PvP… you NEED two sets of gear.

    Now… some pieces you can reuse if you want… My sage uses War Hero Relics in both his PvE and PvP sets… lots of people use PvE weapons/offhands in PvP because if they are at the DR softcap for expertise already, the extra boost from the endurance/mainstat on those items is a better slotting. Everyone will find a different way to slot to squeeze those extra few points out. So in short… equalizing expertise across all PvP gear will help those people who are trying to get into lvl 50 PvP and don’t already have a full set of sweet sweet beautiful war hero/elite war hero… and don’t want to get facepoundslapkicked for a month while they grind coms. But in ranked WZ’s, heavily competitive regular warzones, or even the straight PuG matches… skill aside, the players who’ve put in the wrenchtime to re-itemize (even if it means losing expertise) to be best-in-slot, will win every time.

    /end rant.

    • Apos,
      “So while he’s got less Strength/Endurance as main stats, he’s sitting pretty with his 25% damage reduction PLUS another 18-19% damage reduction from Expertise, (totalling 43-44% roughly) AND he’s also getting around 22-23% damage BOOST, which is effectively negating your base damage reduction down to about 2%. SO when you are hitting him, he’s taking slightly over half of your applied damage, while you are taking around 98% of his. ”

      I’m sorry dude, I don’t understand how this scenario makes it NOT the be-all end-all stat in PvP. When you look at Huttball, that means that this guy comes in, pounds you, takes the ball, and then casually jogs to the end-zone never really getting challenged, but having successfully “pwned a n00b”.

      • You ignored the whole rest of what I said….

        When you compare someone with expertise to someone without (of equal skill), it’s a facesmashdeathbyfire scenario.

        When you compare two people or equal skill, both with ample amount of Expertise, however one person has stacked Expertise to the maximum, and the other has sacrificed a bit of Expertise for other stats, the person with more expertise is at a disadvantage.

        My point isn’t to try to say that Expertise isn’t the most important stat in PvP… it’s to demonstrate that the point of PvP gear is NOT to just try to stack as much Expertise as humanly possible, because other people who have stat’d based on math (oh yes… MATH!) and enhancement diversification, errr i mean diminishing returns, will perform better.

        oh yeah….

        WAMPA!

  4. Actually, I didn’t ignore what you said, but I’m clear I didn’t respond completely.

    I got that DR means that after 1200 it starts being pointless. But it does guarantee that unless you are playing with specialized gear, just give up. Recruit gear as we’ve discussed is good general purpose gear. While not for raiding, you could probably do dailies in it.

    I’m OK with the general concept of PvP only gear for the best, but at it’s most basic level, I can’t begin to try level 50 PvP w/o getting full gear.

    • “I’m OK with the general concept of PvP only gear for the best, but at it’s most basic level, I can’t begin to try level 50 PvP w/o getting full gear.”

      That is hitting the nail on the head. As it stands now, (and even with this news, will continue to be so)… you can absolutely forget about doing lvl 50 PvP without at a bare minimum, a full set of Recruit MK-2 gear.

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